British MP George Galloway, Subsidized by U.S. Tax Payer Dollars, Slanders Israel

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During his June 27, 2012 call-in show on New York’s WBAI radio station (that reaches New York, New Jersey and Connecticut), George Galloway, a long-time defamer of Israel, challenged a left-wing caller’s vituperative attack on ‘the Jews’ for alleged bad treatment of the Palestinians. During his defense, Galloway told a whopper of a lie about scientist Albert Einstein and his attitude toward Zionism (the national movement of the Jewish people). He said:

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Destro Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:16:56am

How is a foreign MP subsidized by US tax dollars? Because he appeared on public broadcasting hosted show for an interview? That's like saying he was subsidized by US tax dollars for being on public paved roads. MP George Galloway is a kook, by the way and is interviewed because he is a kook.

War On Music Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:24:45am

Einstein had a complicated relationship with Zionism and Israel and CAMERA is being intellectually dishonest. His Zionism would not be recognized as zionism by today's standards, considering "Einstein supported a “homeland” for Jews in Palestine, but he opposed a Jewish state “with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power.” Since two-thirds of the population of Palestine consisted of Arabs, he preferred bi-national status with “continuously functioning, mixed, administrative, economic, and social organizations.” Only cooperation with Arabs, led by “educated, spiritually alert” Jewish workers, he wrote, “can create a dignified and safe life…. What saddens me is less the fact that the Jews are not smart enough to understand this, but rather, that they are not just smart enough to want it.”

Read more: [Link: forward.com...]

Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:25:23am

Fuck George Galloway.

jogiff Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:08:54am

re: #2 War On Music

If you'd actually read the essay where that quote comes from ("Our Debt to Zionism") you would know that he believed that Jews should preferably remain a spiritual community and not a geographic one, but that this ideal was "apart from practical consideration."

Destro Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:34:44pm

re: #4 jogiff

Einstein was proud of his ethnic origins but he was an atheist and not into "spiritual communities".

researchok Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:41:56pm

re: #5 Destro

Liar. Or maybe just ignorant.

Either way, the list/post is getting longer.

Religious views of Albert Einstein

Einstein rejected the label atheist, which he associated with certainty regarding God's nonexistence. Einstein stated: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."[1] According to Prince Hubertus, Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."[13]

Einstein had previously explored the belief that man could not understand the nature of God. In an interview published in 1930 in G. S. Viereck's book Glimpses of the Great, Einstein, in response to a question about whether or not he believed in God, explained:
Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.[14]
In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."[15] Author Anthony Alioto has referred to Einstein as an "agnostic theist."[16]

Destro Fri, Sep 14, 2012 1:31:48pm

re: #6 researchok

Wikipedia as a source for Einstein?

Me thinks thou dost protest too much:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God's favoured people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

The letter will go on sale at Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair on Thursday and is expected to fetch up to £8,000.

researchok Fri, Sep 14, 2012 1:40:27pm

re: #7 Destro

LOLOL

You don't think- you lie- and that is a provable fact. Oh, and yes, you pivot and attack in the hope no one will notice- LOL

So now you arte denying the Einstein quotes? You are denying the veracity and facts provided by the wiki article?

And what exactly is wrong with the wiki article?

Be specific.

Destro Fri, Sep 14, 2012 1:45:11pm

re: #8 researchok

Your troll motor is on.

I used Einstein's own words (not a Wikipedia entry) to describe his view of the non-existence of god or the godhood or whatever you want to call it and the dismissal of the aspects of religious books that describe god and religion in general:

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." Albert Einstein

To me that is an expression of atheism. Maybe it is agnostic. But clearly it is not an expression of support for the Abrahamic/biblical view of god by the man.

I am sorry you can't be an adult about this. I am sorry you invested in Einstein a trait he did not posses.

researchok Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:01:37pm

re: #9 Destro

More bullshit, LIAR.

You said,

Wikipedia as a source for Einstein?

What exactly in the Wiki article is incorrect?

And why the selective quotes from Einstein? Are you saying the other quotes are not substantiated?

Be specific.

You know, without the pivot and attack.

And yes, I will user this exchange in my post (though there may be more than one. Too much for one post.) I'm counting. I want to see how many times you can avoid answering by dancing

Funny how you wanted all this.

Pathological, really.

Bob Levin Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:29:16pm

re: #9 Destro

Could you do a quick summary of your understanding of the Theory of Relativity? On second thought, take as much time as you wish.

Bob Levin Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:31:52pm

re: #9 Destro

And don't provide links. Your own words, garbled and all. So, don't cut and paste either.

Destro Fri, Sep 14, 2012 4:05:00pm

re: #10 researchok

re: #12 Bob Levin

You guys are kind of too old to troll.

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.
-- Albert Einstein, following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding "Do you believe in God?" Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.

Stenger: To Einstein, 'God' is 'Nature'

"Both deism and traditional Judeo-Christian-Islamic theism must also be contrasted with pantheism, the notion attributed to Baruch Spinoza (d. 1677) that the deity is associated with the order of nature or the universe itself. This also crudely summarizes the Hindu view and that of many indigenous religions around the world. When modern scientists such as Einstein and Stephen Hawking mention 'God' in their writings, this is what they seem to mean: that God is Nature."
-- Victor J Stenger, Has Science Found God? (2001), chapter 3

[Link: www.positiveatheism.org...]

researchok Fri, Sep 14, 2012 4:13:17pm

In other words, another pivot and attack.

Shall we try again?

More bullshit, LIAR.

You said,

Wikipedia as a source for Einstein?

What exactly in the Wiki article is incorrect?

And why the selective quotes from Einstein? Are you saying the other quotes are not substantiated?

Be specific.

You know, without the pivot and attack.

And yes, I will user this exchange in my post (though there may be more than one. Too much for one post.) I'm counting. I want to see how many times you can avoid answering by dancing

Funny how you wanted all this.

Pathological, really.

Bob Levin Fri, Sep 14, 2012 4:39:09pm

re: #13 Destro

I guess this would be technique number 8 in your Revolutionary Socratic Method [copyright Destro, 2012]? Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.

You don't really get Einstein, then, I take it.

Trolling? Right now it's poker. I called. You got nothin'.

Bob Levin Fri, Sep 14, 2012 4:41:20pm

Done for the night, see you all later next week. I go to Einstein's shul.

Buck Sun, Sep 16, 2012 11:22:45am

re: #2 War On Music

he preferred bi-national status with “continuously functioning, mixed, administrative, economic, and social organizations.”

You obviously have no idea about what goes on in Israel.

Israeli law guarantees Arab citizens of Israel the same rights as other Israeli citizens without distinction of race, creed or sex. Israel's Arab citizens can and do run in elections and become ministers in the Israeli government. There is an Israeli Arab citizen on the Supreme Court. A Israeli Arab citizen General in the army.

Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights.

“continuously functioning, mixed, administrative, economic, and social organizations.”

Buck Sun, Sep 16, 2012 11:28:55am

One of the visions of the Zionist movement was the establishment of a Jewish university in the Land of Israel.

The First Board of Governors of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem included Albert Einstein, Sigmund Freud, Martin Buber, and Chaim Weizmann.

In his will, Albert Einstein left the Hebrew University his personal papers and the intellectual copyright to them, as well as the right to use his image.

You can twist his words, but not his actions. He was a Zionist. He believed in the Jewish homeland.

Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:33:13pm

re: #14 researchok

In other words, another pivot and attack.

Shall we try again?

More bullshit, LIAR.

You said,

Wikipedia as a source for Einstein?

What exactly in the Wiki article is incorrect?

And why the selective quotes from Einstein? Are you saying the other quotes are not substantiated?

Be specific.

You know, without the pivot and attack.

And yes, I will user this exchange in my post (though there may be more than one. Too much for one post.) I'm counting. I want to see how many times you can avoid answering by dancing

Funny how you wanted all this.

Pathological, really.

Forget it, Researchok, it's Destro. Since the people questioning him are all "EEBILL CONSERVATIVEESS!!1", pivot and attack is all he'll do. He's too focused on attacking those he sees as conservatives to actually debate them. His idea of a "Revolutionary Socratic Method" is heavy on the "revolutionary" light on the "Socratic" and uses pivot and attack as the method.

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